造物主荷鲁斯启示录

荷鲁斯之眼

完整文本和更新
2005 年首次由Green Willow Publications of Candler, NC 28715, USA出版

作者 埃洛拉· 加百列

第二十九章：与萨南达/耶稣谈论他过去的地球生活
Chapter TWENTY-NINE: A Conversation with Sananda/Jesus on his Past Earth Life

本次更新的主要主题是与萨南达的通灵，我们认为所有读者都会对此感兴趣。目前我们还 没有太多关于我们星球上的解放工作最新进展的信息，但我首先将摘录 2006 年 11 月 7 日 我们与赫鲁的对话:
The main topic of this Update is a channeling with Sananda which we feel will be of interest to all. We do not have at this time a lot of news about the progress of work on our Planet, but I will first of all include this excerpt from a conversation with Heru on November 7, 2006:

埃洛拉：赫鲁，我想给你读一下詹姆斯·吉利兰在 eceti.com 上的一些内容:“在冥想中，我 一遍又一遍地从星际国度接收到同样的信息。“一场大事件即将到来。”我问什么时候，他 们说峰值将于 2006 年 11 月 23 日达到，但本质上这将是循环往复的过程。有一个重大的 星象排列，玛雅历法专家也说根据他们的计算，2006 年 11 月会有一个重大事件。认识我 的人都知道我不是圣经的爱好者，但我得到的信息是上帝即将降临，它是一种频率和力 量。显然，地球上即将经历一次重大的能量或频率转变，但迄今为止，这个过程的细节还 有些模糊。有人告诉我这股能量会从地球的南部进入地球。目前确实有大量能量正在涌入 地球两极，而如果我想改变地球的频率，我也会通过影响两极来实现。有人告诉我，那些 不适应这些新能量的人会表现得有些挣扎。要适应这股能量的关键词是爱，与爱对齐。如 果有人想对这一转变发表评论或获得更多见解，我们将洗耳恭听。我将继续获取更多信 息，并通过新闻通讯向人们通报计划在自我主导的地球研究所 (ECETI) 举办的重大活动， 以帮助大家理解、吸收和流动这些新能量。”
Elora: Heru, I would like to read you something from James Gilliland at eceti.com: “In meditation I am receiving the same message over and over from the Star Nations. ‘A big event is coming.’ I asked when and they said it will peak November 23 rd 2006 yet will be cyclic in nature building up to that point. There is a major Planetary Alignment and experts in the Mayan Calendar also say according to their calculations there is a major event in November. People that know me know I am not a Bible thumper yet the message I am getting is God is coming, it is a frequency and a force. Apparently there is a major energy or frequency shift scheduled yet the details thus far are a bit sketchy. I was told it was coming in from the South. There are major influxes of energy coming into the Poles and if I were to want to shift the frequency of the Earth I would do it through the Poles. I was told those who are not in alignment with these new energies are not going to do so well. The key word is Love, align with Love. If anyone wants to comment or receives any more insights on this Shift we are all ears. I will continue to get more information and inform people through the News Letter with a major event planned to help understand, assimilate and flow with these new energies at the Self Mastery Earth Institute, ECETI.”

赫鲁：我想说的是，这一信息是正确的。这是目前正在发生的众多解放地球的举措之一。
Heru: I would say that information is correct. Again it is one of the many initiatives that are happening at this time.

埃洛拉：你还有什么要补充的吗?
Elora: Is there anything you’d like to add?

赫鲁：请大家拥抱这种能量，在它到来时放松下来，练习接纳它。而且它的到来会是周期 性的。让我看看是否能得到它的脉冲频率。 它大约每 3 到 5 天会进入地球一次，但这一 频率会随着时间的推移而增加，直到一两个月后，会变成每天一次。因此，在最初的脉冲 之后，在大约 6 周的时间里，它的频率会增加，直到变成每天都会发生。
Heru: Just to embrace that energy, to relax into it as it comes, to practice that. And it’s correct that it will be cyclical. Let me see if I can get the timing of the pulsations. About every three to five days but increasing in frequency over time until it’s daily after a month or two. So after the initial pulse, during that six-week period or so, it will increase in frequency until it’s daily.

埃洛拉：我认为他是说这种周期性增长将在 11 月 23 日的事件发生之前发生，并为该事件 做好准备。
Elora: I think he was saying that this cyclical increase would happen prior to the November 23rd event, building up to it.

赫鲁：据我所知，第一个真正明显的脉冲将在 23 日发生。他可能从某种意义上感觉到了 它的先兆，但我想大多数人都会在 23 号时感觉到它，然后在 4 到 5 天后感觉到下一次脉 冲，然后脉冲的间隔时间会不断减少。它是一种你们可以与之交流的活生生的具有意识的 圣光。
Heru: I’m getting that the first real noticeable pulse of will be then, the 23rd. He may feel the forerunner of it in a sense, but I think most people will feel it on the 23rd, then four to five days to the next pulse, then a little less time and a little less time. And it is a living, Conscious Light that can be communicated with.

第 1 部分 — 萨南达/耶稣讲述他的一生
Part 1 — SANANDA/JESUS speaks about His Life

埃洛拉：你好，萨南达。 我们的一位读者最近问我们是否可以澄清你作为拿撒勒人耶稣或 耶稣的一些生活细节，我相信这是你在那一生中所使用的真实名字。
Elora: Hello Sananda. One of our Readers recently asked whether we could clarify some of the details of your life as Jesus of Nazareth, or Yeshua, which I believe was your actual name in that life.

萨南达：是的。Yes.

埃洛拉:我们认为所有人都会对此非常感兴趣。你愿意和我们谈谈这个吗?
Elora: We felt that this would be of great interest to all. Are you willing to talk about this with us?

萨南达/耶稣:好的。可能我会不想在此谈论其中的一些部分，但是是的，我愿意和你们谈 谈这一话题。
Sananda/Jesus: Yes. There may be parts that I do not want to comment on, but yes.

埃洛拉：首先，让我们确认你所说的是真实的现实，而不是任何次现实，因为地球上有很多扭曲的次现实，且其中包含了很多关于你和你的生活的虚假信息。
Elora: First, let us confirm that you are speaking from the Real Reality and not from any sub-reality, as there are so many distorted sub-realities containing much false information about you and your life.

萨南达/耶稣：是的，让我绝对确定我现在完全锚定在了地球的真实现实中，凯伦也完全锚 定在地球的真实现实中，你也完全锚定在了地球的真实现实中。我请求最高真理的清晰之 光渗透到我们今晚在这里所说的一切。
Sananda/Jesus: Yes, let me make absolutely sure that I am fully anchored in the Real, and that Karen is fully anchored in the Real and that you are fully anchored in the Real. And I ask the Clear Light of the Highest Truth to permeate all that is said here tonight.

埃洛拉：在我们讨论细节之前，我知道你是这个星球上被人类投射最多的存有之一，这给 你带来了巨大的痛苦。你能谈谈人类对你的投射以及这些投射是如何影响你的吗?
Elora: Before we get into the details, I know that you are one of the most projected-upon Beings on this Planet, and that this has caused you tremendous pain. Can you speak about the projections of Humans and how these affect you?

萨南达/耶稣：好的。我想你可以说这对我来说是一个相当痛苦的话题。但我并不会因为人 类的投射而怨恨或愤怒，因为，与黑暗扇区中的所有存有一样，人类即使不是失去了全部 的自由意志，也至少是失去了部分的自由意志，并且受到大量意识控制和操纵。这种意识 控制和操纵是地表一切大型宗教存在的基本目的——事实上，地球上所有的宗教、所有的 邪教、所有的信仰体系都是有局限性的。为了控制人们，那些实施这种控制的人创造了围 绕上帝、宗教、启蒙、解放、天堂与地狱、永恒诅咒、业力的完整编程和信仰体系。所有 这些概念都是为了奴役人类而创造的。这个星球上最大的奴役机器之一正是基督教，其专 注于十字架，并崇拜我肉体的死亡和我肉体的痛苦，并用它作为载体将每个人的痛苦投射 到人类集体的意识编程之上。所以，与其说是人类集体意识的编程和投射的想法对我造成 了伤害，不如说是我无法关闭自己对人类的同情心，并且我感受到了他们陷于地球上的这 整个困境中所感受到的痛苦。因此，我很难与人类自由地互动，因为这些投射起到了阻碍 的作用。因此，一个人会在痛苦中向我呼喊，寻求帮助，向我呼救，而人类集体的意识编 程阻碍了我回应他们的呼声。而地球上每天会有数以百万的人向我呼唤，而这也深深地牵 动着我的心弦。我每天都感受着他们所传达的痛苦，但又难以给予他们所需的回应，由此 带给我的心痛感，就仿佛我不断地被重新钉在了十字架上一般。
Sananda/Jesus: Yes. I guess you could say that is a rather sore subject with me. I do not hold resentment or anger towards Humans for their projections because, as with all the Beings in the Dark Sector, Humans have lost at least part of their Free Will if not all their Free Will, and are subjected to a great deal of mind control and manipulation. This mind control and manipulation is the foundational purpose for the great Religions — all religions really, all cults, all structures of belief that are limiting. To keep people under control, those who perpetrate this control create holograms and systems of belief surrounding God, Religion, Enlightenment, Liberation, Heaven and Hell, Eternal Damnation, Karma. All of these concepts were created to enslave. One of the biggest machines on this Planet is the creation of the Christian religion, focusing on the crucifixion, worshipping the death of my body and the suffering of my body, and using it as vehicle to project each person’s pain onto that collective hologram. It is not so much that the hologram and the projected thoughts hurt me as much as it is my inability to shut down compassion for Humans, and that I feel the pain they feel in this whole entrapment situation. Therefore it is difficult for me to interact with Humans freely because this projection, of course, acts as a barrier. So a person will call out to me in pain, wanting help, calling me for help, and it’s almost as if this whole projected hologram gets in the way of me responding. Multiply that by the millions and it pulls very deeply on my heart-strings. It is almost as if I am daily, through them, re-crucified.

埃洛拉：哦，天啊!我为你感到非常痛苦。我希望你很快就能摆脱这个问题。
Elora: Oh, God! I feel so much pain for you about this. I hope you will be free of this soon.

萨南达/耶稣：不仅仅是我需要摆脱这一点，每个人参与其中的人类都需要从其中摆脱出 来。我感谢你们的同情和理解。我再次重申，这不是参与其中的人类的错，而是黑暗势力 的错，我对于参与其中的人类没有任何责怪的情绪，也没有愤怒或敌意。我们荣辱与共。 我的解放将随着那些相信我并被这个病态系统所困的人们的解放而一同到来。同样的病态 扭曲也存在于印度教中、存在于因果报应信仰体系的意识陷阱中、存在于种姓制度以及由 此产生的一切之中。穆斯林宗教、所有小宗教、异教徒和任何出现在地球上的小教派也是 如此。这些宗教中的每一个都有自己的神，并且其中的每个神都以非常相似的方式陷入和 我一样的病态困境中。
Sananda/Jesus: It is not just me, it is everyone who is involved in this. I appreciate the compassion and the understanding. I reiterate again that it is not the fault of the Humans involved, it is the fault of the Dark, and I lay no blame and have no anger or animosity there. We are all in this together. My liberation will come with the liberation of those who believe in me and are entrapped by this very sick system. And the same sickness is true with the Hindu religion and the whole entrapment of the belief in Karma, and the Caste system and everything that has generated. It is the same with the Muslim religion, and all the small religions, the Pagans and any of the small Sects that come around. Each of them has their Gods and each of these Gods is entrapped in a very similar way.

埃洛拉：现在让我们来谈谈你的生活吧。让我们从你为作为耶稣生活在地表的那一世所做 的计划开始谈起吧，显然这些计划对你来说是非常重要的。请谈谈你制定并得意落地的计 划、以及你希望实现的目标等等。
Elora: Now let’s talk about your life. Let’s start with the planning for that life, which was obviously meant to be one of great importance. Please talk about the plans that were laid, what it was desired for you to be accomplished, and so on.

萨南达/耶稣：我生命中的两位玛丽亚，我的母亲，玛丽亚，我的伴侣，抹大拉的玛利亚， 还有我——我们三个人——一起设计了我们的生活。(耶稣的母亲)玛丽亚的母亲安妮也参 与了我们这些计划，以便让我们知道我们该何时、以及该如何来到这个世界上。我会说我 的母亲在肉体上并不是处女。她确实与她的丈夫结合了，但她的能量在很大程度上和教会所拥护的童贞所象征的那种能量是完全一致的。那种纯洁性毫无疑问是存在于她身上的， 而且至今依然存在。
Sananda/Jesus: Both Mary, my mother, and Mary, my partner, and I — the three of us — designed our lives. Mary’s mother Anne was involved in these plans as well, for us to come into the world when and how we did. I will say that my Mother was not a physical virgin. She did have union with her husband but energetically the purity there as symbolized by the virginity that the Church espouses. That purity was absolutely there, and it is still is.

埃洛拉:你最初所设想的人生目标是什么?
Elora: What was the purpose for your life as you envisioned it?

萨南达/耶稣:我的最大目标之一是成为宇宙意义上的规则的破坏者:去动摇这个地球矩阵 的基础，动摇人们心中那些至今仍然存在着的生活中的限制性观念。通过奇迹、通过复 活、通过在一个非常僵化的、有限的、愚蠢的文化中作为一个自由的人而活着，通过在人 们面前显化那些他们认为是不可能的事情，来动摇他们的限制性观念。
Sananda/Jesus: One of my great purposes was to be a Rule-breaker in the most Cosmic sense of that concept: to come and shake to the foundations of this Earth, the concepts of the limitations that people were living in, and still continue to live in to this day. To manifest the impossible through the Miracles, through the Resurrection, through just living my life as a free Human Being in the midst of a very structured, limited, stupid culture.

埃洛拉：使用我们的日历(当然会与你出生的那个时代使用的日历不同)，你作为拿撒勒人 耶稣的生日是哪一天?
Elora: Using our Calendar, which of course would be different from the one in use at the time of your birth, about what is the date of your birthday as Jesus of Nazareth?

萨南达/耶稣：1 月 27 日。
Sananda/Jesus: January 27th.

埃洛拉：除了太阳星座是水瓶座之外，你那一世的星盘构成是什么?
Elora: Other than being a Sun sign of Aquarius, what was your astrological make-up in that life?

萨南达/耶稣：我想说我其他的星盘 构成是:双鱼座月亮和射手座上升。
Sananda/Jesus: I would say Pisces moon and Sagittarius rising.

埃洛拉：回到你的生活:有一些关于你最初十二年的生活的记录。此后，我相信直到你 30 岁前，人们对你一无所知。在那些所谓的“消失的岁月”里，你在哪里、在做什么?
Elora: Going back to your life: There are some records of your first twelve years. After that, I believe that nothing is known of you until the age of 30. Where were you and what were you doing during these so-called “lost years”?

萨南达/耶稣：我是几个不同寺庙和地方的入会者。首先，我被带到一个偏远的艾赛尼派大 院，在那里呆了五年左右，接受了最深奥的希伯来奥秘的辅导。然后我去了埃及的寺庙， 在那里学习了很多年，直到大约 28 岁，我短暂地去了远东的印度，然后回来执行我的使 命。《水瓶座的耶稣福音》一书中对此有相当详细的介绍;这是对我那段生活的相当准确的 描述。
Sananda/Jesus: I was an initiate in several different temples and places. First I was taken away to a remote Essene compound for five or so years and tutored in the deepest esoteric Hebrew mysteries. I then went to the Temples in Egypt and studied there for a great many years till I was about 28, when I went briefly to the Far East in India and then came back to do my Mission. It’s fairly well covered in the book “Aquarian Gospel of Jesus” ; that is a fairly accurate accounting of that part of my life.

埃洛拉：人们普遍认为，你开始在这个星球上践行使命开始于你大约 30 岁的时候，结束 于你 33 岁时的死亡和复活。这是正确的吗?
Elora: It is generally believed that your Ministry on this Planet began when you were about 30 years old and ended with your death and Resurrection at the age of 33. Is this correct?

萨南达/耶稣：我不会把它划分得那么清楚，因为我想说它实际上是从我的远东之旅开始 的。我在那里就开始服务大众了，至于我在中东践行使命的时间——是的，就是在我 30 岁-33 岁的那三年。
Sananda/Jesus: I don’t compartmentalize it quite so distinctly because I would say that it really began with my trip to the Far East. I did public work there, but what is recorded in the Middle East as my Ministry — yes, those three years.

埃洛拉：在你在中东开始践行使命的时候，你接受了施洗者约翰的洗礼，那一刻天打开 了，显然当时发生了某种灵性降临的现象，当时你的身上发生了什么?
Elora: What happened to you at the beginning of this Ministry in the Middle East, when you were baptized by John the Baptist and the Heavens opened, and there was apparently some kind of descent of Spirit?

萨南达/耶稣：那是因为我自己与我的单子融合而产生的景象，那一刻我成为了我更高自我 的完整化身。这对每个人来说都是可能的。
Sananda/Jesus: That was the merging of myself with my Monad, where I became a complete incarnation of my Higher Self. It is something that is possible for every Human.

埃洛拉：在某个时刻你遇到了抹大拉的玛丽亚。
Elora: And at some point you met Mary Magdalene.

萨南达/耶稣:是的，我的女王玛丽亚。
Sananda/Jesus: Yes, my Queen.

埃洛拉：你想谈谈你和她那一世的关系吗?
Elora: Would you like to speak about your relationship with her during that life?

萨南达/耶稣：我想将其中的大部分内容保密，而她也会选择这样做。我只想说她是我永恒 的伴侣，我的双生火焰，我的全部。除此之外，我想将我们这段关系的其余部分保密。
Sananda/Jesus: I would like to keep most of it private and she would as well. I would just state that she is my Eternal Partner, my Twin Flame, my everything. Beyond that I would like to keep the rest of that relationship private.

埃洛拉：关于她那一世以及她是谁，你有什么想说的吗?
Elora: Is there anything you would like to say about who she was in that lifetime and who she is?

萨南达/耶稣:我只会说她和我一样都是一位灵性大师。
Sananda/Jesus: Just that she is every bit as much of a Master as I am.

埃洛拉：有一段名为“抹大拉手稿”的通灵信息，其中有抹大拉的玛丽亚的讲话。你之前曾 说过，你认为这个通灵信息是准确的——你对此还有什么进一步的评论吗?
Elora: There is a piece of channeling called “The Magdalen Manuscripts” in which Mary Magdalene speaks. You’ve stated previously that you feel this channeling is accurate — do you have any further comments on it?

萨南达/耶稣：没有了，我觉得这段信息是准确的，这是对她的准确描述。
Sananda/Jesus: No, I feel it is accurate and it is an accurate representation of her.

埃洛拉:《圣经》中记载了许多据说是你所完成的奇迹事件。我相信第一个与将水变成酒有 关。你还完成了许多奇迹般的疗愈，并最终使拉撒路死而复生。据记载，你增加了面包和 鱼来养活一大群人，并创造了其他奇迹，例如在水上行走。这些记录是完全准确的吗?
Elora: There are a number of miraculous events recorded in the Bible that you were said to have done. I believe the first one had to do with changing water into wine. There were a number of healings, culminating with raising Lazarus from the dead. It is also recorded that you multiplied the loaves and fishes to feed a large group of people, and performed other miracles such as walking on water. Are these records essentially correct?

萨南达/耶稣：是的，这些记录的内容是准确的。而且还有很多没有被记录下来。
Sananda/Jesus: Yes, they are. And there were many more that were not recorded.

埃洛拉：你是如何做到这些的?
Elora: How were you able to perform these acts?

萨南达/耶稣：正如我一开始所说的，我那一世的目标是打破地球上的既定规则，这便是我 创造这些奇迹的目的之一，以表明任何人都可以做到。 我在中东完成的任何事情都是任何 人类都一样可以实现和重新创造的。这就是最伟大的法则:上帝的法则、一的法则、奇迹 的法则。所以我不是违法者，我是规则破坏者。我违反了黑暗势力给人类制定的规则，但 我没有违反上帝的法则。
Sananda/Jesus: As I said in the beginning, my intention for this life was to break the established rules and that was one of the purposes for performing these miracles, to show that it could be done by anyone. Anything that I accomplished there is eminently attainable and re-creatable by any Human. And that is the greatest law: the Law of God, the Law of One, the Law of the Miraculous. So I am not a law-breaker, I am a rule-breaker. I break the rules of Men but I do not break the Law of God.

埃洛拉：你是通过遵守上帝的法则来完成这些事情的吗?
Elora: And did you accomplish these things by working with the Law of God?

萨南达/耶稣：是的。对此，让我看看我能否为你们提供一些我个人的见解。信仰很重要— —对上帝的信仰，对自我的信仰，对上帝通过自我发挥作用的力量的信仰。与自我单子的 合一也很重要。我想这就是我现在能说的全部了。并不是我不想透露秘密，只是如果我现 在和你们详细谈论相关的技术，我不确定这是否会对当下的人们有意义。未来我们可能会 有时间和地点去谈论这些话题。
Sananda/Jesus: Yes. Let me see if I can give any insights to this. Faith is important - faith in God, faith in the Self, faith in the Power of God to work through the Self. Merging with the Monad is also essential. I think that’s all I can really say for now. It’s not that I don’t want to reveal the secrets, it’s just that if I were to talk at length about techniques at this point I’m not sure it would be meaningful to people. There may be a time and place for that later.

埃洛拉：这是一个读者问题。 “萨南达说他有一个女儿，玛丽亚在他受难前怀上了这个孩 子并在他受难后生下了这个孩子，而这个孩子是欧洲许多‘皇室’血统的后裔。他能详细说明 一下这个信息吗?我知道许多阿纳努基/阿努纳奇/光明会都相信他们属于这个血统。我的 感觉是，萨南达是出生在这个血统(阿努的后裔)的家庭中的，而他选择这样做是为了打 破阿努纳奇基因对地球的控制系统，但我不确定。他能告诉我们更多关于这部分故事的信 息吗?”
Elora: Here’s a Reader question. “Sananda says he had one daughter, conceived before the Crucifixion and born after and that she is what many ‘Royal’ Lineages of Europe are descended of. Could he elaborate a little more on this? I know that many of the Annanuki/Annunaki/Illuminati believe they are of this Lineage. My feelings say that Sananda was born into this Lineage (descended Lineage of Anu) to break the Annanuki genetic system of control on the Planet, but I'm not sure. Could he tell us a little more about this part of the story?”

萨南达/耶稣：基本上所有这些信息都是正确的。是的，我是来打破阿努纳奇对人类的控制以及光明会对人类遗传学的控制的。然而在一段时间过后，这个整个皇室都变得腐败堕落 了。另外谁曾经属于这一皇室的血统这一点其实并不重要。
Sananda/Jesus: Basically yes to all of it. Yes, that I came to break the Annunaki control, the Illuminati control of the genetics. However after a time the Royal Houses all became corrupt; it didn’t matter what their bloodline was.

埃洛拉：那一世的你真的出生于阿努纳奇血统的家庭吗?
Elora: Is it true that you were born into the Lineage of Anu?

萨南达/耶稣：是的。我要说的是，尽管目前的欧洲王室的基因已经被“蜥蜴化”，但我当时 切实引入的重要基因编码目前仍然存在于欧洲王室的血统中。而这些基因的携带者之一就 是凯伦。她和她的整个家族一样都是这个血统的后裔，所以她兄弟的任何后代也都继承了 这个血统。
Sananda/Jesus: Yes. And I will say even though the Royal Houses of Europe were “lizardized”, that there does still exist that important genetic encoding that I did bring in. One of the carriers of those genetics is Karen. She is descended from that Lineage as is her whole family, so any of the offspring of her brother also carry that as well.

埃洛拉：我们最近和赫鲁谈论了虚假灵魂的植入以及虚假的神如何利用它们来控制人们。 这些假神，比如假耶和华，还在外面作恶吗?或者因为它们处于更高维度，所以它们已经 被移除了，因为我们知道更高的维度已经被清理干净了?
Elora: We were talking with Heru recently about the false soul implants and how the false Gods use them to control people. Are these false Gods, such as the false Jehovah, still out there doing their thing? Or since they’re Higher Dimensional have they been taken down, since we know the Higher Dimensions have been pretty much cleaned up?

萨南达/耶稣：现在它们就像是纸做的龙一般。它们的灵魂和存在本身已经消失了，但能量 的外壳仍然存在，所以它们变得没有任何生气了，但它们现在仍然能够表现得好像很凶猛 而暴躁。
Sananda/Jesus: It’s like they are paper dragons. The substance to them is gone but the shell remains, animated by very little, but still capable of appearing fierce and fiery.

埃洛拉：为什么没人去把它们彻底清除掉呢?
Elora: Why doesn’t someone just get rid of them?

萨南达/耶稣:我想说，现在支撑它们空壳依然存在的是人类的集体信仰，而这基本上也就 是目前它们所剩下的全部了。
Sananda/Jesus: I would say they are held in place by collective belief at this point, that’s basically what’s left of them.

埃洛拉：它们现在的存在几乎就像是动画片中的人物一般，没有任何实质。
Elora: Almost like animated thought forms.

萨南达/耶稣:是的。Yes

埃洛拉：在《圣光的回归》中，你说你确实死在了十字架上，随后你重新进入了那个身 体，使它复活，然后带着它一起扬升了。
Elora: In “The Return of Light” you stated that you did die on the Cross, that you re-entered that body, Resurrected it, and then Ascended it.

萨南达/耶稣:是的。 Yes.

埃洛拉：有很多关于你扬升后在不同地方重新出现的故事——其中讲述了你再次行走在地 球上，你随后出现在了从不列颠群岛到美洲大陆间的每一片土地上。这些故事是真实的 吗?
Elora: There are many stories of your reappearance in different places after your Ascension—that you walked the Earth again, everywhere from the British Isles to the Americas. Is there any truth to these stories?

萨南达/耶稣：千真万确，确实如此。我基本上走遍了每一个大陆。 我这样做的目的是用 我的光体的形象或我的光体的形式覆盖地球，以巩固我作为地球规则破坏者的现实。现在 的我真的非常喜欢这个词!今天我的心情很叛逆，所以让我完全拥抱这叛逆的感觉吧。
Sananda/Jesus: Very much so, yes. I walked on basically every continent. My purpose in doing so was to cover the Planet with the image of my Light Body or the form of my Light Body, in order to cement the reality of the Rule-Breaker. I just love that term! I’m in a rebellious mood today so let me fully embrace the rebel.

埃洛拉：我也一直是个叛逆者，所以我很同情你。一位读者问:“从目前光明与黑暗之间的 宇宙战争以及这个星球上正在发生的事情的角度来看，你如何看待你此时的使命? ”
Elora: I’ve always been a rebel too, so I’m in sympathy with you. A Reader asks: “How do you see your Mission at this time, from the present vantage point of the Cosmic Battle between Light and Darkness and what is happening on this Planet? ”

萨南达/耶稣：里面有几个大问题。本质上，由于我在开头所描述的原因，我现在已被排除在地球之战之外了，这就是为什么我不会以第二次降临的形式返回地球。
Sananda/Jesus: There are a couple big questions in there. In essence I have been shut out of the Battle for Earth because of what I described at the beginning, and that is why I am not returning in a physical form as a Second Coming.

埃洛拉:你为什么说自己已被排除在地球的战斗之外了?我不确定你是什么意思。
Elora: Why do you say shut out of the battle? I’m not sure what you mean.

萨南达/耶稣：由于人类对我的投射的范围很大，以至于我无法在地球之战中自由行动。 因此就这样被人类拒之门外了。
Sananda/Jesus: Because of the extent of the projections placed upon me, I am not able to operate freely in the Battle for Earth. I’m shut out.

埃洛拉：我再次祈祷这一切尽快结束。关于第二次降临的整个问题，你还有什么想说的 吗?我知道这是另一个人类对你的巨大投射的来源。
Elora: Again, I pray that this ends for you soon. Is there anything else you would like to say about the whole issue of the Second Coming, which I know is another huge area of projection?

萨南达/耶稣：这确实是对我的一个巨大的投射。我从来没有说过我会回来。事实上我不会 回来，因此这只是黑暗势力的一种操纵手段，目的是将人们赶入末日神学中，并导致人们 自己开始自动地显化黑暗势力所期待的末日预言，而我不想与这种末日预言有任何关系! 我想说，我很高兴看到一些基督徒变得非常热衷于保护生态。
Sananda/Jesus: A tremendous area of projection. I never said I was coming back. I’m not coming back, and it is a manipulative means by the Dark to herd people into apocalyptic theology resulting in a self-fulfilling prophecy of doom, and I want nothing to do with it! I will say that I am pleased to see that there are some Christians who are becoming very ecologically passionate.

埃洛拉：这是另一个读者的问题:“你愿意从下面这三个角度——在你在黑暗扇区执行任务 之前;当你在地球上的一生和践行使命的过程中;以及在你飞升之后。”辩证地谈谈你的感 受、理解以及你与上帝/最初造物主的整体关系吗?
Elora: Here is a Reader question again: “Would you care to speak about your feelings, understandings and your overall relationship with God/Prime Creator from three comparative perspectives — before your Mission here in the Dark Sector; over the course of your life and Mission; and after you Ascended.”

萨南达/耶稣：我与最初造物主的关系永远不会改变;我们之间的关系的本质从未改变。 当那一世的我说我和我的天父(最初造物主/上帝)是一体的，我所说的都是事实，那是真 实的，那将永远都是真实的。这对地球上的每个人类来说也是如此，只是这里的人类已经 忘记了这一点。
Sananda/Jesus: That it’s never changing; it’s never changed in its essential quality. When I said I and my Father are one that was true, that is true, and that will be true. And it’s really true for every Human, it’s just that Humans have forgotten.

埃洛拉：赫鲁最近发表了一个有趣的评论。有人问他关于你母亲玛丽亚女士的事。赫鲁 说:“她与耶稣或萨南达一样，都是一位扬升大师。过去他们来到了地球，他们设法从黑暗 扇区外穿过这个宇宙的帷幕，并来到这里服务于人类。” 他似乎在说，你和玛丽是后来才 到达我们这里的，并不是和五亿年前就已经到达我们这的那群光之工作者一起来到这里 的。这是真的吗?
Elora: Heru recently made an interesting comment. Someone asked him about Lady Mary, your Mother. Heru stated, “She is an Ascended Master, along with Jesus or Sananda. And they came, they managed to get through from outside the Dark Sector, to do service here.” He seems to be saying that you and Mary arrived here later on, and didn’t come here with the mass of Light Workers who arrived 500 million years ago. Is this true?

萨南达/耶稣：是真的，我可爱的女王——抹大拉的玛丽亚——也是如此。
Sananda/Jesus: Yes, and it is also true of my lovely Queen - Mary Magdalene - as well.

埃洛拉：这对我来说非常感有趣，因为大约五年前，当我第一次开始记起我是如何从光明 扇区来到这里时，我找回了一段似乎是关于我们中的一些人如何聚在一起，并努力将你和 佛陀或许还有其他一些存有送来这里的记忆。在我看来，我们必须打开特殊的门户才能把 你和其他人带进来。我这些记忆是真实的吗?
Elora: This was of great interest to me because about five years ago, when I first started remembering how I came here from the Light Sector, I retrieved what seemed to be a memory of how some of us got together and worked to bring you and Buddha and perhaps some other Beings here. It seemed to me that we had to open special Portals to bring you and the others in. Is there any truth to these memories?

萨南达/耶稣：是的，确实如此。对当时的我们而言，进行特殊的“隐形”是必要的，这是一 项非常微妙的工作，因此我们没有尝试传送太多的存有前往这里，这样做是为了保证传送 的质量，而不是数量。
Sananda/Jesus: Yes, that is true. Special “cloaking” was necessary and it was such a delicate endeavor that we did not try for massive numbers, just for quality rather than quantity of Beings.

埃洛拉：赫鲁关于你和玛丽亚(你在耶稣/耶书亚那一世中的母亲)是如何在来到我们这个 造物宇宙系统之前就已经达成扬升，以及关于你是如何被专门带到我们这里的介绍，让我 想知道即使在光之宇宙中，扬升大师是否也是相当罕见的，以及他们在进入这个造物宇宙系统中的光明势力群体中是否也是很罕见的。
Elora: Heru’s comment about how you and Mary (your Mother in the Jesus/Yeshua life) were already Ascended before coming here, and how you were specially brought here, makes me wonder if Ascended Masters are quite rare even in the Light Universes, and if therefore they were rare among the Light Forces who came here.

萨南达/耶稣：扬升大师在光明宇宙并不罕见。在那进入这个造物宇宙系统的大浪潮[即在 五亿年前到达这个区域的光之工作者群体]中肯定也有许多的扬升大师们。然而，当他们来 到这里时，他们感染了堕落的黑暗病毒，并在某种程度上失去了他们的扬升本性。我想你 可以说，我们带来了针对该病毒的疫苗[即对抗黑暗的疫苗]。事实上，让我再多说一点。 我们是时间旅行者，我们来自未来。
Sananda/Jesus: They are not so rare in the Light Sector. There were definitely Ascended Masters among the Beings who came here en masse in that large Wave [i.e. the Light Workers who arrived in this Sector 500 million years ago]. However as they came here they were subjected to the Fall and sort of lost their Ascended nature. We came with, I guess you could say, an inoculation against that virus [i.e. an inoculation against the Darkness]. Actually, let me speak a little more about that. We are Time Travelers, and we came from the future.

埃洛拉：你们三个人都是?
Elora: The three of you?

萨南达/耶稣：是的，我们将我们自己以及我们携带的疫苗融入到了你们过去的那段历史中 ——以便能够为这个世界带来积极的改变，以及打破足够的负面规则，好让地球可以拥有 一个更光明的未来成为可能。对此你有什么看法?
Sananda/Jesus: Yes, to insert ourselves into what is now your past - to effect a positive change, to break enough rules, that a brighter future was possible. How do you like that?

埃洛拉：我认为这对你们来说是一个巨大的牺牲。
Elora: I think that it was a great sacrifice.

萨南达/耶稣：是的，但只有来自未来的我们，才能带着疫苗来到这里去扭转这一切。
Sananda/Jesus: Yes, but it was only possible to come here inoculated by coming from the Future.

埃洛拉：所以你是说，光明势力已经在未来开发出了一种有效的对抗黑暗的疫苗?
Elora: So you are saying that in the future, there will be developed an inoculation against Darkness that works?

萨南达/耶稣：是的，而且是 100%有效的疫苗。因此我是不会被黑暗腐蚀的，而你也一 样。
Sananda/Jesus: Absolutely, 100%. I am incorruptible and you shall be as well.

埃洛拉：你自己的灵魂阶梯上从来没有任何黑暗的灵魂或被污染的面向?
Elora: You never had any Dark Aspect-Beings of yourself or tainted Aspects?

萨南达/耶稣：是的。但有一些来自黑暗的存有在冒充我，当然还有无数源自动画片的意识 形态在冒充我。
Sananda/Jesus: No. There are Beings masquerading as me who are of the Dark, and of course there are countless animated Thought Forms posing as me.

埃洛拉：这个对抗黑暗疫苗，我们现在不能拿到它吗?
Elora: This inoculation, can’t we get it now?

萨南达/耶稣: 它很快就会来到你们身边。
Sananda/Jesus: It is coming soon.

埃洛拉：你能否大致评论下目前地球上存在的关于你当时生活的有关记录?其中哪些是被 人为添加的内容，哪些是被人为删除了的，或者你有什么是想要在此特别说明的吗?
Elora: In general, or with any specifics that you care to address, can you comment on what was inserted in and what was edited out of the account of your life that we now have?

萨南达/耶稣：我想说那些想要探索我那一生的事迹的人们来说，不仅只有《圣经》里记载 的内容可供参考。如果他们有兴趣，他们还可以阅读死海古卷和其他的一些古卷，例如 《皮斯蒂斯·索菲亚古卷》和《纳格·哈马迪古卷》。所有这些都是很好的材料，还有我之前 提到的《水瓶座耶稣福音》。所有这些对他们来说都是有价值的。
Sananda/Jesus: Only that those who are going to read this could explore not just the Biblical accounts of my life. If they are interested they could also read the Dead Sea Scrolls and some of the others such as the Pistis Sophia and the Nag Hammadi Scrolls. All of those are good as well as the Aquarian Gospel of Jesus which I mentioned earlier. All of those have value to them.

埃洛拉：我准备的有关你过去生活的问题到此就结束了。我现在想提出另一个话题。我一 直对濒死体验很着迷，最近我偶然发现了一个网站，其中包含了许多人们的濒死体验记 录。我发现奇怪的一件事是，当人们到达另一边时，他们体验到了对真理的直接感知。通 常这些看法之一是，一切事情，甚至我们在地球上看到的恐怖事件，其的发生都是有原因的。当然，这与我们过去几年所获得的认识是相反的。我将为你读出其中的一些摘录:
Elora: That concludes the questions I had prepared about your life. I’d like to bring up another topic now. I’ve always been fascinated by Near Death Experiences and recently I stumbled across a web site which contains many records of people’s Near Death Experiences. One thing I found strange is that, when people get to the Other Side, they have what they feel is a direct perception of truth. Oftentimes one of these perceptions is that everything, even the horrors we see here on Earth, happen for a reason. This, of course, is contrary to the understanding that we have gained in the past few years. I’ll read a few excerpts:

“我完全确定，一切都在按照它应有的方式发展，每个生命的最终命运都是回归源头、光、 和纯粹的爱。”
“I knew with total certainty that everything was evolving exactly the way it should and that the ultimate destiny for every Living Being is to return to the Source, The Light, Pure Love.”

下面这段是另一位女士的说法，她深深地感受到自己在上帝面前，并与上帝进行了交流:
Here’s something from another woman who felt deeply that she was in the presence of God and had a communication with that Presence:

“我不记得我们讨论的具体内容;在我返回的过程中，在天堂中如此清晰和完整的见解并没 有跟随我一起回到地球。我确信我问了自童年以来一直困扰我的关于我的人民承受的苦难 的问题。但我确实记得这一点:发生的一切都是有原因的，无论它在物质领域看起来多么 可怕。”
“I don't recall the exact content of our discussion; in the process of return, the insights that came so clearly and fully in Heaven were not brought back with me to Earth. I'm sure that I asked the question that had been plaguing me since childhood about the sufferings of my people. I do remember this: There was a reason for everything that happened, no matter how awful it appeared in the physical realm.”

萨南达，你能对此发表评论吗?
Can you comment on this, Sananda?

萨南达/耶稣：好的。 我认为这一点在《圣光的回归》之前的章节中曾被简要讨论过，赫 鲁在其中谈到了人类是如何生来就相信一切事物都是善良和和谐的。所以其实这就是她们 那些体验的根源。因为这就是人类的诞生方式。人类很难相信有某种外来的东西侵入了这 个造物宇宙，很难相信还有一些不属于“一”的东西;很难相信有什么事情会是违背了上帝 的旨意的。因此，这几乎就像是启蒙的一个阶段，因此一个人会体验到这一点，但这并不 是我所说的所谓的最终启蒙。这是一个“顿悟时刻”，但它并没有涵盖全部现实。我这样的 解释你们可以理解吗?
Sananda/Jesus: Yes. I think this was briefly discussed earlier in the Return to Light, where Heru was talking about how Humans are hardwired to believe in the purpose and the goodness and the harmony of everything. So it’s along those lines. It is just the way Humans are made. It is very difficult to believe that there is something foreign that has invaded this Creation, something that is not of the One; it is hard to believe there is something contrary to God’s Purpose. Therefore it’s almost like a stage in Enlightenment where a person will experience that, but it’s not really what I would call the ultimate Enlightenment. It’s an “Aha moment” but it does not encompass the whole reality. Does that explain it?

埃洛拉：所以当一个人死后，他们的遗忘面纱会在一定程度上被揭开?
Elora: So when a person dies, they become unveiled to a certain extent?

萨南达/耶稣：在某种程度上，是的。
Sananda/Jesus: To a certain extent, yes.

埃洛拉：但还有大多数真实记忆并没有被完全揭露出来。
Elora: But most do not become completely unveiled.

萨南达/耶稣：正确，因为如果他们真的能回忆起自己过去的一切，他们就不会屈服于幻象 和业力，并且在本质上会回到他们堕落前的同一进化高度。
Sananda/Jesus: Correct, because if they did they would not succumb to the illusion and the Karma and come back essentially to the same evolutionary place that they left.

埃洛拉：换句话说，地球上的人们死后上演的整个事情都是受控制的，而且不完全受光和 最高真理秩序控制的?
Elora: In other words, the whole thing that is staged after death is controlled, and is not entirely controlled by the Light and the Highest Orders of Truth?

萨南达/耶稣：你们要记住的是，这个星球上的人们将与一些大师和某些宗教派别一起进入 我之前和你们提到过的极乐泡泡中。濒死体验与此类似。
Sananda/Jesus: Remember the Bliss Bubbles that people on this Planet will get into with the Gurus and the certain religious sects. It is akin to that.

埃洛拉：所以地球上的事情是这样安排的，当一个人死后，他们会进入这些极乐领域......
Elora: So things are set up so that when a person dies, they go into these Bliss Realms…

萨南达/耶稣:是的，或者叫第七天堂或者你可以用任何自己的方式去如何描述那个地方。
Sananda/Jesus: Yes, the Seventh Heaven or however you want to describe them.

埃洛拉：然后因为他们事实上并没有完全获得自由，所以他们依然未完全脱离地球上的轮 回。
Elora: And then because they didn’t get all the way free, they sort of recycle back.

萨南达/耶稣：是的。这种感觉几乎就像一根橡皮筋，一跟被拉伸得很远的橡皮筋，然后最 终它还是会收缩回来。
Sananda/Jesus: Yes. It almost feels like a rubber band, where the rubber band stretches out so far and then retracts back again.

埃洛拉：这让我恍然大悟。还有一件让我困惑的事情。对于死去的人来说，对这一世的回 顾是一次非常有价值的体验。【译注:所谓的走马灯。】然而，在阅读了一些人的回顾内容 后，我发现，其中的内容受到了某种形式的过滤。因为其中内容的焦点都集中在人与其他 人的互动上。但回顾我们一生中与自然的互动，我认为也同样重要，或者他们与自己过去 关系的互动，但在这些人的记录的对往事的回顾中，绝对没有任何与之相关的内容。
Elora: That makes sense. Here is another thing that puzzles me. The life review is such a powerful experience for people who die. Yet after reading a number of these, it almost seems to me that there is some kind of filter placed on this review. The entire focus is on the person’s interactions with other Humans. There is absolutely nothing about the person’s interactions with Nature, which I feel is equally as important, or their relationship to their own self.

萨南达：是的，或者也没有任何与上帝/最初造物主互动的内容。
Sananda: Yes, or the interactions with God.

埃洛拉：是的。这个这对于我们过往经历的过滤程序到底是什么的以及是谁设置的?
Elora: Right. What is this filtered life review about and who set it up?

萨南达：嗯，是业力之主设置的。
Sananda: Well, the Lords of Karma.

埃洛拉：业力之主是光明与黑暗的混合体。
Elora: And the Lords of Karma were sort of mixed between Light and Dark.

萨南达:是的，他们在某种程度上受到了黑暗的侵蚀而屈服了。
Sananda: Yes, they were to a certain extent compromised.